Friday, June 29, 2007

Two Thoughts Today

When there was a vote for a Union about 94 or so, I was our company's shipping & receiving clerk and one of our fork truck drivers came in very upset and called the Material Control Dept. manager in. The UAW was collecting signatures to get a vote to bring themselves into our plant. One employee disconnected the gas line on his fork truck, and several others wouldn't let him off the fork truck until he had signed one of their cards. He signed and they let him go. They said it was unfair when the our company president told them to give the employee the card or the police would be called. Later they were spreading the word that this guy had been intimidated into removing his card by management and he was told by the organizing committee to keep his mouth shut about what really happened or else.

Later they decided I needed to sign one and I refused. I was informed that as soon as the union was in I was out because they wanted only loyal union people in "our plant".

The union lost that vote rather overwhelmingly and curiously enough there were fewer "yes" votes than there were signatures requesting an election. A few years later, due to some idiotic decisions by management, there was another vote, but the union won that one; and was much politer with dissidents than the previous time.

In the voting booth one is totally alone with his own mind, thoughts and beliefs. In the unsigned ballot one tells what they truly believe. Neither the company nor the union (nor the GOP nor the Donks) can intimidate or coerce you. That is why the secret ballot will always be needed.

That's not good enough for the unions. Or the Democratic Party.

They want to make it so that simply signatures will do it and if a majority signs then no vote is needed. Professor Brody's reasons for eliminating the secret ballot are purely bogus and the history he brings up is irrelevant. If the unions could consistently win a secret ballot they would be happy with it, but they lose a lot of elections today. If they could do away with the secret vote they could threaten, intimidate, and coerce workers until they got what they wanted. It DOES happen. I have seen it with my own eyes and experienced it on my own job. They want this because they cannot win without threatening their co-workers. The union leadership wants it so they can terrify workers into the joining their unions. The Democrats want it because a lot of union dollars wind up in their pockets. Organized Crime wants it because a lot of union dollars wind up in their pockets.

I also notice that he complains that "Republican minority" was able to block this which was totally unfair in his mind. Did he feel that the minority blocking a vote was unfair when the Donks were doing it a couple of years ago?


Several news organizations say that the Senate defeated the President's immigration plan and that's true as far as it goes, but it fails to note a very important point. The bulk of the opposition came from the GOP while a lot of support came from the Democrats. It was an issue in which there were more Democrats standing with the president than Republicans. If it was a defeat for the GOP, than why are Harry Reid and Ted Kennedy disappointed?

You would never know from the headlines that the body of the article contained this statement:

The death of the compromise also reflected the failure of a strategy hatched by the White House early this year to start with an immigration framework that could command substantial conservative support, and then work with Democrats to push it through. The conservative backing never fully materialized, and the concessions made to obtain it alienated some Democrats and liberal groups

This is an issue that divides both parties and both party's leadership is at odds with the rank and file. This could lead to a re-alignment of American politics in which President Bush, Nancy Pelosi, Madam Hillary, Obama, Harry Reid, Trent Lott and Ted Kennedy would all be losers.


Blogger Crazy Politico said...

I too believe that the secret ballot is the only way to get a reasonable vote on unions in the work place.

As for immigration, maybe next time around the first two things on the list should be border security, and easing the burden for legal immigrants in getting here. Then help the illegal one's.

10:18 PM  
Blogger Patrick Joubert Conlon said...

I can't believe that the Dems are so arrogant as to want to get rid of the secret ballot. Oh, maybe I can.

2:33 AM  
Blogger Gayle said...

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10:24 AM  
Blogger Gayle said...

(Above comment trashed because I didn't preview before publishing.)

Of course a ballot should always be secret. What nerve!

That danged Immigration Bill was ridiculous. Thank God and the American people that it failed. That Ted Kennedy and Harry Reid were disappointed is proof that it would have been disastrous, not that we needed any proof.

10:27 AM  
Blogger Bloviating Zeppelin said...

Being a student of history I realize that one of the earliest unions became the BLE (and now the BLET) due to working conditions at the time -- in the late 1800s. Unions, of course, had their time and place in our developing country. Every country takes baby steps and ours was no different. There WERE in fact egregious working conditions in many labor venues.

Those days are mostly gone; never would I doubt that certain singular events surface. But my very OWN "union" (or ASSOCIATION as it chooses to call itself) is on the ragged edge of self-destructing due to megalomaniacal ideations of its "board" in terms of disregarding the wishes of the ELECTORATE it CLAIMS to REPRESENT. If I could (it is the proverbial "closed shop") I would opt out immediately; instead I made my views known in writing and verbally in a general meeting by proclaiming that, due to California law, I can designate that my dues go to a charity instead of itself and that is PRECISELY what I did.

On the secret ballot issue: it is nothing more than a COMMUNIST IDEA to do away with secret ballots knowing the nature of human beings. I cannot call it any more base a thing than that. Only the most BASE of DICTATORS would even remotely HINT that anything OTHER than a secret ballot be held.

For ANY election.


10:34 PM  
Blogger Bob said...

Congratulations for having the courage of your convictions and standing up to the intimidators.

1:03 AM  
Blogger Lone Pony said...

As always, standing up to a bully is what needs to be done. Doing away with secret ballots? Ludicrous!

The Dems know Hispanics will vote for them. That's the only reason their pushing this amnesty thing.

7:29 AM  
Blogger Jay said...

The unions have been pushing for this kind of vote for some time... now, they have the full political support to move forward and try to jam it down our throats.

As for the foolish immigration bill, it'll come back in another incarnation.

4:14 PM  
Blogger Gayle said...

I'm afraid Jay is right. They're going to try to shove it down our throats whether we like it or not!

7:28 PM  
Blogger pete in Midland said...

the destruction of the secret ballot is being promoted for the same reason that the "Fairness Doctrine" is again rearing it's socialist head. These people cannot win on an equal or fair playing field, so they need to cheat and intimidate.
I've yet to hear about a union drive that didn't includes herds of "Brunos" and "Igors" trying to get cards signed. I did have that happen to me back in the mid 70's in Alberta, and I told the two thugs that from that time on I'd be greeting folks at the door with my shotgun loaded. Fortunately for me (I don't like the thought of prison) they didn't come back.
The only part of your comment I don't completely agree with, SR, is listing unions, democrats, and the mafia separately. Since they're all joined at the hip, I tend to see them as three faces of the same clock.

This driving need to cheat in order to keep getting elected and thereby keep destroying the country is the sole reason for Democrats support of the latest amnesty drive. They know all criminals will vote for them, since they know where the money comes from. Us conservatives are never quite as ready to go throwing taxpayer money at criminals. I find it hard to believe that either party is really shocked at how the public feels. They enacted the previous laws and never bothered to fund them, or to allow the designated departments to do their job ... and that was their plan again this time around. Power corrupts. Teddy Kennedy is proof.

3:02 PM  
Blogger shoprat said...

cp The priorities of this congress are inexplicable, unless you are paranoid, then you have other problems.

PJC When the left I would believe anything except what they say.

Gayle Unions have always had a lot of nerve.

BZ Unions are as undemocratic as they come

Bob and LP: Thanks

Jay If they try again we fight back again and stop it again.

Pete I don't know that the Unions, the Democrats and mafia are exactly the same but they overlap a lot.

9:53 PM  

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