No Organized Party
Roy Rogers once said that he did not belong to any organized party; he was a Democrat. (When he said this, the Democrats were actually trying to be what they claimed to be, a party of the little people.)
Today they are a little less organized than before.
Crazy Politico has his prediction of a divide in the left coming soon. I have been expecting one for years because of the opposite expectations of organized labor and environmental extremism, which I see as irreconciliable yet both supporting the same candidates. So far I have been disappointed by the Democrats ability to gloss over the differences and keep these natural enemies from fighting each other. He links to a Dana Milbanks Washington Post column which includes this stunning line.
"Elections," moderator Zeese replied, "are not the determining factor."
Yet it may actually be happening at last but not as I expected. According to The American Spectator Online Howard Dean is going after Harry Reid in a battle over the soul of the Democratic Party. He has apparently got some dirt on Harry Reid which "made Jack Abramoff's lobbying work look like that of a rank amateur". He is now contemplating using this against Reid in their struggle over power, which could hurt the Democrats far worse than anything the Republicans do.
This is a situation to watch closely.
Today they are a little less organized than before.
Crazy Politico has his prediction of a divide in the left coming soon. I have been expecting one for years because of the opposite expectations of organized labor and environmental extremism, which I see as irreconciliable yet both supporting the same candidates. So far I have been disappointed by the Democrats ability to gloss over the differences and keep these natural enemies from fighting each other. He links to a Dana Milbanks Washington Post column which includes this stunning line.
"Elections," moderator Zeese replied, "are not the determining factor."
Yet it may actually be happening at last but not as I expected. According to The American Spectator Online Howard Dean is going after Harry Reid in a battle over the soul of the Democratic Party. He has apparently got some dirt on Harry Reid which "made Jack Abramoff's lobbying work look like that of a rank amateur". He is now contemplating using this against Reid in their struggle over power, which could hurt the Democrats far worse than anything the Republicans do.
This is a situation to watch closely.
posted by shoprat at 9:03 PM
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I think that if Dean takes down Reid he will seal the fate of the party.
Cool ... you won't have to worry about the left side of the spectrum for a long time if that happens ..
They looked pretty silly last week. I think its going to happen too.
Dean is a very loose cannon. I think the dems made a huge mistake in voting for him to lead the DNC. That said anything is possible with Dean so I wouldn't put it past him to sabotage Reid. Ofcourse how cut throat will it get? Will Reid stand by and willingly let Dean trash him?? Scary, but fun for us :-).
Dean had also better be careful. I'm sure there's dirt under his shoes as well, and if Reid get's pissed off enough he is sure to find it. This can work both ways... but what's bad for the Dem's is good for us! :)
Just watch them fight each other and uncover each other's skeletons in the closet!
This is fun...
Dean is just too leftist. I'm not happy with either party at the moment. The Republicans are for the rich, the Dems are for the fringe elements in the country and niether party is for the middle class, which continues to be squeezed. I miss Clinton. At least all we had to worry about with him was making sure the women folk were hidden until he left the building.I have voted for both parties in the past, but I don't think that the rightwingers running the show now have the answers to what ails the USA today.
Tim, what does ail the US today? What answer are we looking for?
The middle class being squeezed has always been a problem. I think a lot of the squeeze today is their (mine, I'm in the group) own fault.
Everyone has to outdo everyone else. I work with guys who buy new cars ever two years, have to have the "latest and greatest" of everything.
When you look at the (federal)income tax burden of the middle class it's lower than it ever has been. If you are a family of 4 making $40k or less you pay no income taxes, or less than 2% at worst.
So, again, what exactly is the problem.
I would love to see Dingy Harry crash and burn.
It would serve him right.
CP- family of 4 making 40K is middle class? I don't think so. I am a family of 4 and we make over double that. What problem? 2 wars at the same time and balooning deficits.Also, as a Michigander, seeing the car companies go down the tubes is very scary. Yes unemployment in MI is high, but I travel for my job and the areas w/lower unemployment also have much lower wages. So now we need 2 jobs to make a living wage? I guess I remember when a working man could live decent on a 40hr week job. I don't think we should sacrifice that so rich guys can get even more rich. 45 million uninsured for medical care is also not a problem for you as long as you have coverage. What ever happened to "we're all in this together". Why is it now "I've got mine, so let's just pull up the ladder". Do you want us to be another Mexico where there are rich and poor but no middle class?
Linked to you in my post today :-).
Tim, since the average household income in 2004 (last year numbers up for) was $43318, yes $40k would definitely put you in the middle class.
As for Michigan watching auto jobs leave, $56/hr in wages and benefits for assembly workers is a little crazy.
Add to that the UAW's unwavering refusal for 20 year's to try and keep wages in line and allow the price of cars to remain competitive. Instead they want 90% salary for those laid off.
As for insurance, of the 45 million 10 million chose not to take employer plans.
Some in that number are insured, but under a spouses plan (my wife is counted as "uninsured" because she doesn't use her work plan).
Another 8-10 million (BLS estimate) are self employed and don't chose to cover themselves.
That leave 7-8% of the population (25 million) who are uninsured. Many of them work low wage, or for small companies that can't affored to provide insurance.
I feel for them, but at the same time congress has failed to enact anything (they originate bills) to rectify it. Hell, the president has only been asking for "pooled insurance" legislation for 5 years, and it's been killed every time it's brought up. Mostly by special interest money who want people uninsured because it helps their agenda of a national policy.
you might also want to go to the IRS and download the income data for the last 6 years, the middle class is expanding, not shrinking.
CP- You think UAW workers make too much, but do you also think CEO's deserve several million dollars for running companies into bankruptcy? Look at the airlines, it's ridiculous to ask the workers to accept cuts while these guys get "retention bonuses" for not quiting. Look at Delphi. We should go from $26 hr to 12.50? And then two days later they announce bonuses for the execs who got the company in this jam in the first place. I'm not a liberal because I think the worker deserves some of the profit from his labor. I do agree the jobs bank is too expensive but come on, why be so much in favor of management when they are the ones who ran the company into this situation.
Health Insurance has been a joke for years. Premiums keep going up along with co-pays for the same care. Insurance companies are always there to take your money, but watch what happens when you file a claim. They also have congress bought and paid for, which is why we ALL pay in the long run
tim
If you read everything I wrote on the auto industry, you would see that I have called for a top to bottom pay cut for everyone at GM, which would cut the executives as well. I was very hard on one executive by name who refused to take a cut. Everyone wants the cut to come from someone elses pay and I believe that greed is greed, and there is absolutely no moral difference between union and corporate greed. I say "a pox on both thine houses."
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