Wednesday, January 14, 2009

What They Could Have Had

In the early parts of the 20th Century a group of Zionists, ie Jews (mostly secular at that time) seeking a Jewish nation, legally purchased large amounts of land in their historic home to rebuild the ancient homeland for the Jews. They purchased the land fairly and legally and were the owners of it. It was a plan to rebuild Israel.

They never intended to purchase the whole thing or take the whole thing. The so-called Palestinians would have had plenty of land for themselves. The UN divided the land between the Jews and Arabs based on who owned the land and who lived there. The land that would have gone to Israel was overwhelmingly Jewish with very few Arabs

The compromise would have given the Arabs in the area about half the land.

They wanted all of it. They also wanted to steal the land the Jews had purchased.

These maps compare the most they can possibly get to what they would have had if would have accepted it. The orange areas of the first map were where the Arabs lived and would have been theirs if they would have simply accepted it. The sky blue areas were overwhelmingly Jewish with very few Arabs that they also demanded be Arab land.

I think they made a pretty dumb decision and now they are murdering Israelis and intentionally putting their own children in the crossfire with Israel in order to create "martyrs" to blame on Israel.

We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us. Golda Meir


Blogger Chuck said...

Golda Meir summed it up for me.

10:06 PM  
Blogger Dee said...

As Chuck said, the Gold Meir quote says it all!!

11:09 PM  
Blogger Patrick Joubert Conlon said...

The sad thing is that the Palestinians are idiots - actually "useful idiots" being manipulated by evil Muslims and Western commies.

3:14 AM  
Blogger Gayle said...

Unfortunately, Shoprat, Patrick's got it right, and even more unfortunately, we've got our share of useful idiots in this country too!

Palestinians will never love their children more than they hate the Jews or anyone who isn't a died-in-the-wool Muslim because they obviously don't value human life.

10:37 AM  
Blogger Ducky's here said...

You should compliment this with a reading of T. E. Lawrence to understand how Britain and France completely screwed Faisal after WW I and set the stage for the imperialist domination of the middle east.

I know several conservatives who have shifted to a middle position after they read Lawrence. The history of the M.E. is much more complicated than you present.

12:21 PM  
Blogger dmarks said...

I'm still waiting for the rise of a Palestinian Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr. Perhaps the reason none has arisen yet is similar to the reason that the Nazis did not produce one. Sad to say.

Hannan Ashrawi, a female Palestinian politician, was touted as a moderate, but when pressed she admitted that she did not believe that Israelis had a right to exist.

@Ducky: "WW I and set the stage for the imperialist domination of the middle east."

It set the stage for the reduction/elimination of imperialist domination. Within 30 years, the empires had pretty much pulled out.

12:53 PM  
Blogger dmarks said...

And Shoprat, it is also worth mentioning that the Palestinian government during WW2 readily allied itself with the Nazis, and even sent Palestinian troops into Europe to kill Jews alongside their German brothers-in-arms.

12:56 PM  
Blogger christian soldier said...

Christians owned properties in the mid-east --going back to those who converted 2000+ years ago...Now Christians are being forced out by those who follow MO...
waiting for Christians to wake up---

5:04 PM  
Blogger Joe said...

When a "nation" of people hates another nation more than it loves its children, they are bound to make other stupid choices as well.

7:00 PM  
Blogger Z said...

Very interesting information, Shoprat. thanks.
I keep wondering why the PA's don't put their guns down and let their filthy rich Arab brethren build them a country in which they can have peace and raise their children.

I guess the answer is they don't want it.

12:12 AM  
Blogger dmarks said...

And Ducky needs to realize that Laurence died in 1935. Many Decades before the birth of the rabidly antisemitic Hamas maniacs who would endanger their own people with their hellish campaign to finish Hitler's job rather than spend any effort to build Palestine into an actual nation.

Z, they don't need their "filthy rich Arab brethren" to do this for them. All they need is to replace the desire to exterminate Jews with an actual productive work ethic. They've been given the opportunity so many times.

6:02 AM  
Blogger Average American said...

Why should the palis change. They have it made right now. All they have to do is-----nothing! Thanks to the UN and American money(mostly) they get a place to live and free food and whatever else they really need. They do not have to do a thing even closely related to work. Hell, they sound just like inner city Americans! The other part of the problem is that they are repopulating way faster than the jews and ham ass are killing them off, which tells me that the problem will get worse, NOT better!

11:10 PM  
Anonymous Watching You said...

Dear Mr. Rat, Please be advised that I have notified the artist of the poster you have included on the right of your blog the Hope poster which you have defaced to include the word "No". I hope there's a lawsuit in it for you. I don't think you can steal someones artwork, deface it and use for your own purposes. Just because your idiotic president left you (and the rest of us) without hope, does not mean that hope isn't possible. I feel sorry for you.

10:30 AM  
Blogger Tim said...

Wow! Watching You. I wonder who that guy is? I don't really care about the Palistinians because they have proven time and again that they will not negotiate in good faith with Israel. Maybe it is not fair that they have lost their homeland, but the situation is what it is and will not change. The Jews are not simply going to vanish into thin air and leave them the country. There will never be peace until they stop advocating the destruction of Israel.
You may know, SR, that I have a very good friend that lives in Israel that I have known since I was a teenager. He is an Israeli Arab. He was born in Lebanon and lived in the Detroit area during our formative years. He is fluent in Hebrew, Arabic and English. I believe that if he, as an Arab, can live a prosperous life in Israel, so could they if they would simply "join the team and come on over for the big win".

BTW- Since when am I a "sometimes troll sometimes decent guy"? I'm always a decent guy unless intentionally provoked by your more asinine readers.

10:52 AM  
Blogger Ducky's here said...

Hmm, he died in 1935 so that portion of history has no relevence. Interesting.

The history of the mid east started in 1947?

1:06 PM  
Blogger shoprat said...

Watching You
In North Korea it's a capital crime to deface a picture of the dear leader. I guess you want an America like that. I believe America has jumped out of the frying pan into the fire by electing Obama. Secondly, political satire has always been allowed in free countries. BTW How do you know I didn't find it someplace else?

tim sorry and I meant no offense. One of the problems with blogging is you don't hear the chuckling or laughter as your read.

2:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Patrick Joubert Conlon said...
The sad thing is that the Palestinians are idiots - actually "useful idiots" being manipulated by evil Muslims and Western commies.

Sad, it's not sad.
Idiots are very dangerous and must be kept under control
Go Israel, don't listen to anyone, just do what has to be done.

5:31 PM  
Blogger dmarks said...

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5:46 PM  
Blogger dmarks said...

Ducky: You can't blame the actions of a rabid maniac Hamas member with a bloodthirsty desire to wipe out the Jews on some guy dead more than 50 years before that member was born.

Although, truth be told, genocidal antisemitism does have a long history there.

Still, there is nothing forcing Hamas members to commit atrocities. Just imagine if they woke up in the morning and decide "It's kind of pointless to try to kill Jewish schoolchildren. I think it's high time to learn a construction trade"

The true legacy of imperialism in the Middle East was that of the Arabian Empire and then the Ottomans. In more recent times, there have been imperialists such as Nasser, Assad, and S. Hussein. The European empires who took over after WW1 had a temporary, non-lasting, long-gone presence.

5:50 PM  
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