Are We Up to Something?
There is a buzz around the net that the Pentagon is drawing up a plan of attack against Iran's nuclear program. Actually I think it has probably been studied for some time and it's just now become public.
I was just at AB Freedom blog and read his post on this and then just now read the same story at WorldNetDaily. It looks as if the USA may be getting serious about Iran. Hold on to your hats! This may be a bumpy ride.
I would rather use submarine and ship missles rather than risk the lives of bomber pilots but I must assume our generals and admirals know what they are doing.
I was just at AB Freedom blog and read his post on this and then just now read the same story at WorldNetDaily. It looks as if the USA may be getting serious about Iran. Hold on to your hats! This may be a bumpy ride.
I would rather use submarine and ship missles rather than risk the lives of bomber pilots but I must assume our generals and admirals know what they are doing.
posted by shoprat at 10:00 PM
16 Comments:
Thanks for the link ..
I think this is just fear mongering by the euro MSM .. I do think, however, a showdown with Iran is inevitable.
Wow!! I hadn't read anything about this yet. I agree its going to be a bumpy ride.
Man, I hope that W doesn't do something that all of us will pay for. Although I am against the comments of Iran's pres., bombing them is going to make it worse. "Can you say $5 a gallon gas? Come on now, I know ya can."
We seem to be heading towards a cliff and I for one am not keen about jumping off!When will sanity return to the White House?
Umm... It doesn't really matter what Bush does, gas prices will be high. The powers that be over there know they have us in their hip pocket, and they twist that to every possible advantage. No, I don't want Bush to bomb Iran. (Nor do I think he will anytime soon.) But anything can be twisted to incite hatred.
And... is expensive gas your only worry about Iran?
No, expensive gas is not my only worry. They would not be so provacative if we had not publicly fingered them as part of the Axis of evil, and then tied ourselves down in Iraq, thereby removing any conventional military threat. I might also note that they are the big winners in Iraq, where their fellow Shi-ites are running the show.They arguably have as much influence, or even more, in Iraq than we do. And not a dime spent or a drop of blood spilled. Look, try as we might, we can't force them to do anything, unless we go to war, and no one has the stomach for that. They will, Just like N. Korea, have a bomb. They will not use that bomb on us if they want to survive. It is either going to be a peaceful coexistance, or war. I choose peaceful coexistance.
Hi tim.
Long time no hear.
Shoprat - This is going to be interesting.
Of course, if anyone thinks Israel is going to let Iran build nukes, they may want to reasses the situation.
UN, US, NATO, NRC, whatever.
They will do what they have to...
tim
I think you mean well but I also think you are guilty of wishful thinking. There were several terrorist attacks on the US during the Clinton years and nothing serious was done in response. Many, not all but many, of these people consider mercy to be a weakness to be exploited. I too would rather peacefully co-exist but the decision for peace must be unanimous. If only one person wants war, he has veto power over the entire human race; that is reality. The militant Moslems have seen weakness in the west and have vetoed all votes for peace. Remember, this Jihad was planned while Clinton was president. If you think it is just America's foreign policy, then why are they doing what they are doing in places like Nigeria and Indonesia, not to mention Malaysia, Thailand etc. Their goal is a worldwide Caliphate which would include you as a dhimmi paying a special tax for the right to be a non-Moslem under Islamic protection.
Face reality!
Shoprat, while I too like the idea of cruise missiles doing the work, they are very unsuited for certain missions.
You can't launch a 2,000lb bunker buster on the top of a tomahawk, that unfortunately requires manned bombers.
If this does happen I just pray that the folks remember their training, and hope I did a good enough job training many of them.
Our capability of blowing them away, of busting their bunkers, is not quite realized by any nation that we, the US, would deam necessary to attack. Our leadership is such that, normally, we must be attacked first before we retaliate. However, I don't think that if they are on the verge of targeting one of our cities with a nuclear weapon that we are going to stand by, under our current president, and allow them to do any more damage than 10 times what was done on 9/11, and any nuclear device would do that.
If we don't take the path of self-defence, then we may not have to worry about any of this anyway.
It's scary, but not as scary as Iran having nuclear weapons. God help us.
Shoprat,
I think the people who are not facing reality are the ones who see the only solution to this as war, death, more killing. The USA will not be able to force them into submission unless we nuke the country. Face it, that is not going to happen. And for those who WANT that to happen, you are sick, hateful people. Where are the Christian morals that you claim to cherish? Do you think the world is going to say "go for it buddy!" if we nuke Iran?
And as far as being "dhimmi",well, that may happen in the mid-east, but not here. You are already paying a "terror tax" every time you fill up the tank. We all would like the world to do what we want, but we can't MAKE them do it. Diplomacy is what is needed.
"Diplomacy" with Iran! It just isn't going to work.
I don't "want" to nuke Iran. What I want is for Iran to stop what they are doing. I don't think it's going to happen. And I don't think we can reason with them either. There are no indications whatsoever that diplomacy has a snowball's chance in Hades of working.
Gayle, I'm sure Iran would like us to stop doing what we are doing in the countries on their borders as well. Obviously, diplomacy is not working for them, either, so they are responding in the only language that they percieve us to understand, aggressive confrontation. They hold the cards and they know it. Diplomacy can work. Diplomacy means that you have to "give" something to "get". I don't think W. understands this, and that is part of the reason that we are going it alone with no allies.
Of course diplomacy works. Reagan's style.
For diplomacy to ever work with someone like Ahmadinejad, we have to have some muscle, too. Iran needs a reason to leave us alone.
Nobody "wants" to nuke Iran. But to spend 5 years working to get sanctions, and ten years trying to enforce them, while Iran merrily builds an atomic arsenal will leave us in a worse spot than we are now.
And you can't "give" to terrorists and expect to receive. The Gaza pullout shows that. I don't think suicide bombings have stopped, or even decreased. Offer terrorists your hand, and they cut it off.
tim
you seem to divide us into absolute warmongers and absolute pacifists. I dislike war but recognize that there are times, like now, that war is the lesser of two evils. Peace is impossible as long as the supporters of Jihad believe they have a God-given mandate to rule the world. That belief, and not America, is the cause of the current crisis. Neville Chamberlain also sought a diplomatic solution when none was possible and look what happened. I really believe that your method would lead to the same results.
Tim, if nukes are required, luckily we have lots and lots and lots of them.
Besides, better to use their desert for testing than Nevada's, it screws up the lighting on the strip.
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