From Congressman Dave Camp
Conservative Congressmen and women are planning a meeting with health care professionals and businessmen to discuss options and see if there is a better way to solve the problem. Certain Democrats are warning the health care people to not even attend the meeting or else.
Russell Sullivan, the top staffer on Finance, and Jon Selib, Baucus’ chief of staff, met with a bloc of more than 20 contract lobbyists, including several former Baucus aides.
“They said, ‘Republicans are having this meeting and you need to let all of your clients know if they have someone there, that will be viewed as a hostile act,’” said a Democratic lobbyist who attended the meeting.
“Going to the Republican meeting will say, ‘I’m interested in working with Republicans to stop health care reform,’” the lobbyist added.
Listening to the other side is hostile act? Isn't hearing all sides the best way to determine the most desirable outcome -- unless that outcome is a challenge to your personal power? It's power and not results that matter anymore.
If you even listen to the other side or talk to them you will be punished! I guess we're now a one-party state.
But with Baucus’ office still warning dissenters that anyone who makes their opposition public could be permanently excluded from future negotiations, the groups representing businesses, health care providers, hospitals and similar stakeholders are still wavering on whether to voice their concerns publicly.
What does it sound like to you?
posted by shoprat at 11:08 AM
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Leave it to the left to ram through the most substantial socio-economic change since the Great Society with no debate. Of course, they know best, and since we are too stupid to have any input, they should just to this in private, right?
What a joke. The "great liberals" in the Congress playing fast and loose with our future with the most fascist of practices. Makes me sick (pun intended)!
But with Baucus’ office still warning dissenters that anyone who makes their opposition public could be permanently excluded from future negotiations ...
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You do understand that Baucus is talking about progressive Dems, don't you.
He wants to keep things as much in favor of the insurance companies which are screwing you as possible.
Have you checked in with Rush the Vulgar Pigboy to get the official Republican base position?
i think they call it 'divide & conquer'! the govt and the libs are getting great pleasure from keeping the country as divided as possible - and what's bad is that we fall for it a lot of the times and let ourselves get into these petty politics things while they go off and create more govt!
Leave it to the Duck to continue his ongoing support of the totalitarianism of Obama and the Dem Congress
"What does it sound like to you?"
The Dark Side's terror tactics....also...-Orwell's 1984...
BTW- SR---I'm sad-we just lost the CUP! :-(
C-CS
uhoh..it's SHUT UP again, is it?
NO ONE CAN DISAGREE, YOU ARE OUT IF YOU DISAGREE, WE WILL TURN THE LIGHTS OUT IF YOU DISAGREE (Albany senate), WE WILL INSULT YOU IF YOU DiSAGREE, WE WILL MAKE CRUDE JOKES ABOUT YOUR DAUGHTERS IF YOU DISAGREE..
etc etc etc.
The left does believe that listening to the other side is hostile act.
Yes, some on the right have that same attitude. The key word is "some." I venture that the percentage of political-speech silencers on the right is much higher than on the left.
As Z has pointed out above, the mantra of the left now is "SHUT UP!" And isn't that exactly what those who can't rebut an argument do every time?
It does sound like Orwell's 1984, Shoprat. We are losing our freedoms one by one, but that's to be expected. Socialism and freedom can't coexist.
Some really funny comments here.
KDG- This was Bush's forte. Everything was an emergency and congress had to approve it immediately "or else the terrorists win".
Don-Karl Rove invented the politics of division. Forgot that?
Chuck and Carol- Yeah, right "sigh"
Z, AOW,- remember "you're either for us or against us? How many times did the NeoCons tell Dems to go Shit in their hats if they didn't like it?
Gayle- Broken record...
Ducky said: "He wants to keep things as much in favor of the insurance companies which are screwing you as possible."
That's a much better situation than the alternative being proposed, which is one single insurance company screwing everyone, and to leave it you have to flee the country.
Tim: Rove's political mantra was "tell it like it is"
And as for what Neocons said, there are/were few and they have had little power.
But it is pretty obvious that those who sided with the terrorists were not "with us".
It's been almost a year since you were kind enough to give this new (at the time) blogger an encouraging word and listing my site on your roll..
Thank you many times over!!
Carol-CS
That's a much better situation than the alternative being proposed, which is one single insurance company screwing everyone, and to leave it you have to flee the country.
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Proposed by whom? Nobody in the Congress or the White House.
Obama hasn't proposed it yet, but there are many in Congress and elsewhere who want "single-payer universal health care", which is exactly the "government's choice or else" situation I described.
Also, it shows Obama's intent to destroy health care that he would set up his stalinized system to directly complete with popularly controlled (non-government) health care, with the goal of wiping out all of these alternatives.
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